How to deal with a toxic employee when HR is useless and person is all buddy buddy with them (it’s also a small business)

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How to deal with a toxic employee when HR is useless and person is all buddy buddy with them (it’s also a small business)

I’m hoping someone out there can give me some advice on how to deal with a toxic person at work. Ok so here’s there situation. I am a supervisor and I’ve had “Sue” on my team for 8 months. I’ve been in the role 1 yr 2 months. She gets in everyone’s business. Seems to enjoy knowing everything. She is blunt and rude. Eg. Our HR Manager was having a little joke with her about something and she told her to shut up. Now yes it was said in jest tone but I don’t know I was brought up to respect the business hierarchy and not to speak out of line. Another example of her behaviour is deciding when she wants to greet myself as well as the State Sales Manager in the mornings when she walks in. It’s blatant disrespect, forget hierarchy for a moment but I think as a human being if I greet acperson the morning you kind of expect reply. When I ask her a work related questions she ignores me as if I’m not talking or she will give a split second glance then will start doing something else as if what I’m saying doesn’t matter it shits me to tears. So I’ve dealt with this behavior for 6 months. Then one day I had had just about enough and I was talking to her and she gave me the glance and got up to look at something in a colleagues drawer and proceeded to start chatting to her while I was talking. I let out a deep sigh out of pure frustration. To which she replied I was listening. I said I’m not getting in to this now ( the owners wife was in that day!!) so I had to maintain composure because I was going to loose my shit. So Sue went down to HR had something to say, came back picked up her bags and left. Said nothing. So that was that. That afternoon my boss called me in to find out what happened so I explained it to him. I admitted I probably shouldn’t have let out the sigh but along with what I’ve mentioned her and so many more inappropriate behavior etc. The next day she came back to work and obviously tension was thick. So a mediation was called. So HR and my manager asked us to talk. She sat all quiet. I was so angry. So my leg started twitching from having to compose myself. I asked her what the problem is to which she replied I don’t know. I said well you walked out so what happened yesterday. So she starts crying and says work is her happy place and I STRESS HER OUT BECAUSE SHE NEVER KNOWS WHAT MOOD IM GOING TO BE IN BECAUSE I BRING MY HOME LIFE TO WORK!! She says she also has issues but she doesn’t blurt them out to work. I was gob smacked. It was a blatant LIE! I shook my head and said I hammering know what to say to this. Then she pipes up Oh, and YOU DONT GREET ME IN THE MORNINGS!!!! another lie. I said to her I’m sorry if you feel me talking about my family JUST LIKE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES. I always greet you and if you feel I haven’t greeted you sometimes but perhaps I never heard ( knowing ful well I have Always greeted her) unless on the phone I wave or look and smile. Then she brought up an email I sent out that we had ALREADY DISCUSSED AND RESOLVED. And that’s exactly what I said to her again. It’s like she was clutching at straws. I then was asked what would I like her to improve on as her supervisor. I just asked that she look at me when I’m asking her a question and acknowledge me just a person too. She agreed. I walked out the “mediation” frustrated, angry, like seething angry. My integrity was being challenged because she was out right lying and played the victim. But I smiled and said ok all good.....As did she. The following week was sombre. Minimal conversation, strictly work It was just the two of us. By Friday I asked her if we could have a chat about some of the things she said tome in the mediation.Like I’m moody and I bring my home life to work etc. and said what happened? How did we get here? she waved her hand and said oh please forget I said that, I DIDNT MEAN IT! and she goes honestly I have no idea how we got here. Let’s just move on. In my head I’m going ‘ok so she’s completely white lying to throw you under the bus but wtf. Don’t LIE like that. I told her we really need to work together. She “agreed “. A couple days later she had a day off for a specialist appt. that day I was asked where she is and I said she gone for an appointment. Then a few others turn round saying “no, she’s gone to watch her daughters sports carnival.” I honestly would not have cared less what the reason for her leave was but why lie to me and tell other people otherwise. She CONSTANTLY texts and uses her phone. Despite being told by me and MY manager. I’m talking overuse to the point she has to charge her phone by about 2pm! No joke. Now I have spoken to my manager at length about this but he tells me he can’t do much because she works well. Which she does what needs to be done but no more. If I ask her to do something she’ll do it but with attitude So I’m morally conflicted because I feel she is trying to push my buttons to make me loose my shit. But I love my job and will not leave. She’s now all buddy buddy with the apparent HR. So I feel now powerless because the HR opinion is biased and she’s lying to the right people but then “apologizing” to me. It’s such a messed up situation. What do I do? How do I deal with the person? Is a small/medium business so news travels bloody fast 😒

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Anonymous

I manage a small business and have dealt with many toxic employees. The owner kept employing “friends” that felt they could do whatever they wanted due to that personal relationship. It finally came to a head when the last “friend” threatened to burn my house down with my child in it because I reprimanded her for a serious health and safety violation. Thankfully after that, the responsibility of hiring staff became a part of my responsibilities. My best advice is to try to remember that while you cannot control other people’s actions, you can control your response to them. Remain professional, keep focused on doing well at your own job. Try to not worry about gossip etc. The truth will eventually come out and the HR rep will see through her, just as you have.

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Anonymous

I’d lodge a formal complaint to the HR manager.
As a supervisor, they understand your role and the role of the other employee. I’d honestly, be askin her to be fired or retrained as she’s wasting everyone’s time and not competent at the job, and costing the company money.

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Anonymous

He's said she's good at her job?

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Anonymous

“She CONSTANTLY texts and uses her phone. Despite being told by me and MY manager”

I don’t define that as being a good worker

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Anonymous

Not mine either but the up line boss considers that she works well and he agrees she does what is expected of her. He's upset she's not doing more than is expected of her. You can't take punitive action against someone in the workplace for completing the duties of their job.

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Anonymous

I smell a narcissist.
She will lie and minipulate things to suit herself.
Maybe read up on it as a personality disorder because that’s helped me stay with my employer (who is a narcissist) for the last six weeks after resigning and then them talking me into staying longer to suit them. My last day is today actually, and I’ve only got through it by telling myself that whatever she says and whatever she does, is her problem and it’s literally nothing to do with me. No matter how nasty she has actually been towards me.

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Anonymous

It sounds like you work in a relaxed environment and possibly at your own pace and that this isn't the kind of workplace that is suited to you. You need something with more structure and maybe not as relaxed.

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Anonymous

I'm curious... If she's not responding to good mornings from the state manager, is he upset too? It sounds to me like this issue is due to both of you being incompatible in a work environment rather than just 1 person being at fault. Any way you can be in different sections and limit your contact with each other? If not, I'd find a way to get along with her if you don't want to be in a situation where you need another job for your own mental health but your references are bad

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Anonymous

Keep a written diary. No feelings. Just what happened

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Anonymous

Some of these issues are very petty from the both of you.
Sounds to me (I've been in management for years) that it's a personality clash, not a work clash.
Be professional. Don't give her anything to lie about.
I used to tell my staff when there was a clash "I expect professionalism, not friendships." You're adults. Let your upper management deal with the phone.
You do your job well, stop riding this employee because you don't like her.
She sounds like the sort of personality that would stab you in the back and jump over your body to get in front.
Take her with a grain of salt. Record any dealings with her in a professional manner. Accept that half the issue here is that you actually don't like her, rather than any petty work issue.
This won't change. You need to figure out how to work with her and be professional and leave work at work.

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